. >> in order to reduce the deficit, there has to be revenue in addition to cuts. >> there has to be revenue in addition to cuts. governor romney has ruled out revenue. he's ruled out revenue. >> is that true? >> absolutely. the revenue i get is by more people working, getting higher pay, paying more taxes. that's how we get growth, balance the budget. the idea of taxing people more, putting more people out of work, you'll never get there. you never balance the budget by raising taxes. >> sean: that was my next guest, jim lehrer, moderating the debate last week. the left tried to make him the scapegoat for obama's pitiful performance, but for 60 million americans it was obvious the blame laid squarely with the president himself. here is former pbs news anchor jim lehrer. nice to see you. >> good to see you, sean. >> "good evening, this is "the newshour"." >> you did that really well. >> sean: how are you doing? >> "the newshour" is doing great. the team took time to get it in place. i transitioned out and i'm very happy about the pbs news, how it's functioning. >> i felt bad for you